host: senator john mccain was on the talk shows over the weekend. here is what he had to say. [video clip] >> we have already cut undersecretary gates. we are on track to cut another $487 billion out of defense. now you lay on top of that these enormous reductions as well. by the way, defense is 19% of the overall discretionary budget. defense is taking 50% of the cuts. if we do not believe our military leaders, who do we believe? i think what we're doing now to the men and women serving is unconscionable because they deserve a predictable life in the military. these federal employees do not know when they will be laid off or not. not to mention the contractors. host: john mccain says enough is enough at defense. guest: that has been the message consistently. robert gates laid out these cuts. his successor, leon panetta, has been against these cuts from minute one. he has been one of the few people in washington since the day the super committee failed was saying we cannot have further cuts to defense. host: what did chuck hagel have to say? guest: he has been interesting. he